[Star Wars] "You don't know the power of the Dark side"..?

Vader : "You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my Master." What's your take on this statement? I've thought before that a Sith ... Foundtheinternet!118[StarWars]"Youdon'tknowthepoweroftheDarkside"..? Close118Postedby6yearsagoArchived[StarWars]"Youdon'tknowthepoweroftheDarkside"..? Luke:"Comewithme."Vader:"Youdon'tknowthepowerofthedarkside.ImustobeymyMaster."What'syourtakeonthisstatement?I'vethoughtbeforethataSithMasterhasasortofwolfalphamaleeffectandthatlesserSitharecompelledtoobeythem.It'sjustinthenatureoftheDarkSide,whichisallaboutpower.TheMasterhasmorepowerandtheapprenticeisweakerandismentallydominated.TheapprenticegrowsinpoweruntilthisgapclosesthenkillstheMasterandthecyclerestarts.It'salmostasifAnakinwasboundtoSidiouswhenhewasonhiskneesandpledgingafterkillingWindu.Doesanyonehavealternativeexplanations?44commentssharesavehidereport94%UpvotedThisthreadisarchivedNewcommentscannotbepostedandvotescannotbecastSortby:best level1·6yr.agoHeknowshewillgethisshitwrecked.Hefeelshehadnochoicetolivehisownlife.112ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoSpeakingAsTheEmperorAndthathappened.Ikilledhim.Ilithisassuplikeablack,asthmaticLifeDaytree.140ShareReportSaveContinuethisthread level2·6yr.agoOnceandFutureTechno-BarbarianGalacticOverlordThatwasmyimpressiontoo.BeforethePT(andstillinmyheart)IalwaysassumedmostofVader'sinjurieswerearesultofPalpatinetaminghim,thenkeepinghiminline.2ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.agoYourexplanationisagoodone.YoucouldalsolinkitspecificallytoAnakinandPalpy'srelationshipasopposedtoexaminingitasastatementonthenatureoftheRuleofTwo.Fromtheoutset,PalpsgrewAnakin'sloyaltywiththepromiseofesotericbutverypowerfuldarksideabilities-initiallythepowertopreventdeath.Sothatstatementcouldbeareflectiononthat,Vadereffectivelysaying"IfIdon'tdowhatmyMasterwants,he'snevergoingtogivemetherecipeforhissecretsauce".Buttheneventhat,ultimately,feedsintotheRuleofTwobecausetheimplicationisthatonceVaderhastherecipeforthesecretsauce,hecangetridofwrinklyoldChefExcellence.48ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoWait,palpatineisbehindStayFreshCheeseBags?!Itallmakesensenow..12ShareReportSaveContinuethisthread level2Op·6yr.agoButtowhatendwouldVadernowneedit...ToresurrectPadme?5ShareReportSaveContinuethisthread level1·6yr.agoIalwaystookittomeantheDarkSideismorepowerful,Palpatinewasmorepowerful,andLukeandVaderwouldbefoolstoopposehimunlesstheybandedtogetherinsecrettobecomestrongerinthedarkside.8ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.ago·edited6yr.agoInmyconsidered(notnecessarilycanon)perspective,theadversary'sP.R.divisionisnottrustworthy.Sothestatedreasonsfortheruleoftwomaynotbetheactualreasons.Why,afterall,wouldthedarksidewantthelightsidetoknowthetruth.Sofromapuresystemstheorystandpoint,Ithinkchannelingthedarksidetoitsfullestextentmaynotbeajobforonehumanorhumanoid.[ASIDE:ThebiologicalSithmayhavehaddifferentstructuresorcapacities,butI'mtalkingaboutwhateverspeciesAnikinandPalpatineshare.]Isuspectthatthe"apprentice"servesasafilterandfocusforthemoreculture-warpingeffects.Sowhenitcomestoforcelightningorpullingamind-trickeverythingisasitisforthelightside.Butwhenoneiscoordinatingaparadigmshiftthroughoutthesenateorrousingabattalionofpeonstodooneswill,theMasterneedsanemotionalandenergetic"heatsink".Intheonetrueconversionwesee,Anikingoesfrom"theyweremeantomymommy"to"Iwillmurderalltheyounglings"simplybysaying"yes,I'llfollowyou".SoI'veimagined(retconed?)thisthingwhereonceAnikinsubmithimselftotheconnectionwithPalpatinehegotamassiveinfo-dumpofthedarkemotionsthatwerepentupinhisnewmaster.Andlotsofthoseemotionsarethethingshe'sbeenjugglingamonghisvassals.Soallalonghe'sbeenfosteringahatefortheJediinhissubjects,buthe'salsothenhadtoscoopoutthathatesoitwouldn'tshowtoosoon.He'sbeenmakingpeople"feelbetter"whilehesbeenmakingthem"factuallyworse".Andhe'sbeendoingitwithoutaproperapprentice.(Dukoisjustatool,afterall.)Sotheapprenticeisadumpinggroundforallthehardertomanageimpulsesthathavebeenencodedintheflowofthedarkforceenergy.Theapprenticegoesoutandwreakshavocandengendersfearandwhateverastorrentsofenergyflowthroughhiminbothdirections.Thisfreesupthemastertobeacoordinator.Aconductorofasymphonyinsteadofbeingfirst-chairviolin.Thetorrentflowsthroughtheapprenticeandthemasteristheregulator.Eventuallytheapprenticeeithergainsfullcontrolofthetorrentandoverthrowshismaster,mostlybycuttinghimofffromtheflow,orhecollapsesinexhaustionandanewapprenticemustbefound.Sotherearealwaystwo.Thecontrollerandtheconduit.Thenthetruereasonthatit'sVaderwhomustdefeatthePalpatineissimple.OnlyVadercanstaunchtheflowofthedarksideinawaythatleavesPalpatinevulnerabletosomethingasbasicandjedi-survivableasbeingtosseddownashaft.Butupuntilthemomentofunderstanding,theApprenticeiscaughtonwhatfeelslikeatinymoteofcalmnessintheeyeofahurricaneofdarkforce.Hebelievesthatthiseye,thisongoingsaferefuge,hasbeengrantedandmaintainedbyhismaster.Theapprentice,whodoesn'tknowallthemasterknows,thinkstheMasterishissaviorinthemaelstrominsteadofitsarchitect.Thetruepowerofthedarksideisthatitflowsfromeverybodyandcanbeuseden-masstocreatemobsandpopulationwideshiftsofopinionandmemory.It'sfabricinsteadofanorganicflow.Butlikeanylargeindustry,thatmuchflowandstructureisdauntingashellanddangerousasanangrymob.13ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoIlikeit,alot!Newheadcanonaccepted!2ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoThisisinteresting,itwouldaddalittlenuancetowhySideouswassovulnerableinthemomentVaderturnedbacktothelightside,especiallyashewasrevelinginLuke'ssuffering.He'dhavesuddenlybeenovercome/distracted/compromised.1ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.agoPlanetaryGovernorDidn'tPalpatinestringVaderalongwiththepromiseofteachinghimthegreaterSithsecrets?Vaderknewhecouldn'tmatchtheEmperorinpowerbyhimself.4ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoIthinkheunderestimateshispowers....:)PalpatinewasagreatSith,butVaderwastobethebest.2ShareReportSaveContinuethisthread level1·6yr.agoOddlyenough,(mindyouwithprequelsinminddamnthem)itactuallylooksmorelikesimpleabusiverelationshipdynamics.Palpytookadamagedkid,madehimfeelspecial,convincedhimtheworldwasagainsthim,convincedhimthatPalpywastheonlyonewhotrulyknewhim,trulyunderstoodhim,andultimatelytheonlyonewhowouldkeephiscompanyconsideringwhatagodawfulchild/wifekillingtoasterstreudelhe'dturnedinto.Addinginthathewasmanipulatedtothedarksideasopposedtoseekingitoutassomanyhadbefore,hewaslikelyweakerinitaswell.HewieldedthedarksidelikeaJediwould...restrained,cool,andpatient.Palpyontheotherhandwassomuchmoreexpressive,passionate,andoverthetopwhenhewould.Foradarksideuser,thatiswherealotofthepowerwouldbe.4ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.agoAftermustafar,AnakinbecamedependentonPalpatine.Hewasbrokeninliterallyeveryway.TheonlyreasonhehadtocarryonwasbecauseheheldaslightthreadofhopethatPalpatinewasn'tjustusinghim,whichofcoursehewas.3ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.agoDarthSidiouslearnttheabilitytopreventdeathfromhisMaster,DarthPlagueis.MytheoryisthatDarthSidioususesthisabilityconstantlyonDarthVader,meaningthatatliterallyanytimehecanstopchannelinghispowersandcauseVadertodie.It'saprettydemoralizingcircumstancetoo,knowingyourbosscankillyouwithasinglethought.Evenworse,Vaderknowshecanneverbefree:IfhekillsSidious,hediestoo.IbelievethatiswhathappensattheendofROTJ,VaderdiesnotbecauseofsomeForceLightning,butbecausethesteadyflowofforcejuicekeepinghimalivehasstopped.23ShareReportSavelevel2Op·6yr.agoEhInevergotthatfeelingfromSidious.ItseemslikePlagueiswastheonlySithwhoevermanagedtomasterdeath.Idon'tthinkSidiouscouldreplicateevenPlagueis'mostbasicfeats.ThemoviealsoalludestothiswhenhesaysthatheandAnakincanfindthesecrettodeathtogether.Vadercouldhavekepthimselfaliveifheneededto.WesawPlageuisdoitwhenhewasinjured.There'snoreasonwhySidiouswouldneedtomaintainitforever.PerhapstemporarilywhenhefoundVaderonMustafar,butnotafterthat.Vaderthoughwouldnotwanttoconcentrateonthispermanently,whichisalsoagainstSidiousdoingit.AllForcetechniquesrequireconcentrationandenergy.16ShareReportSavelevel2·6yr.agoIftheoriginalcanonstillapplies,hediesduetotheForcelightningandwaveofdarksideenergyreleasedwithPalp'sdeath.Idon'tthinkthatPalpatineiskeepinghimalive.9ShareReportSavelevel2Commentdeletedbyuser·6yr.agoContinuethisthread level1·6yr.agoMytakeontheForceisthatitismorethanjustflickingthingsaboutwithyourmindandhittingpeoplewithhatelightning.TheForceiseverywhereanditsaffectsonlifearedeterminedbythosestrongenoughtowieldit.ThosewiththestrengthcanimposetheirwillupontheForcebeitforgoodorill.CompassionbreedsaForcethatispeaceful,soothing.HatebreedsaForcethatisdepressinganddemoralizing.VaderissteepedintheDarkSide.Surroundedbyitatalltimes.Whateverhe'sdone,I'msuretheonlyhatehehasleftisdirectedonlyattheEmperorandhimself,andbecauseofthathateheissurroundedbyanalmostliterallypalpabledespairthatkeepshimfromactingintheinterestsofthelightsideoftheforce.Orsomething.2ShareReportSavelevel1·6yr.agoAlways.On.Battle.Meditation.1ShareReportSaveToppostsjanuary28th2016Toppostsofjanuary,2016Topposts2016helpRedditcoinsRedditpremiumRedditgiftsaboutcareerspressadvertiseblogTermsContentpolicyPrivacypolicyModpolicyRedditInc©2021.AllrightsreservedBacktoTop